"Red Liz" strikes back!
"And now the liberal portion of the letter that you can post in your blog for mocking, if you want:
There are about 1 billion Muslims in the world. I have a hard time grasping that ALL of them want to destroy Israel and the West and live life according to the Wahabbi tradition. Most of them, at least in the better economies, may want to have a cold beer now and then, wear Tshirts and shorts, watch R-rated movies at the theater with their spouses...or at least be okay with their neighbors doing those things. The problem is, 1% of the Muslim world is very much NOT OKAY with that. They will kill any woman who dares show her chin. They burn down record stores that sell music. S**t, some of them don't even let kids play with toys. I guess what we need to do is isolate that 1% from the other 99%, or give the 99% the confidence to overthrow the 1% in charge.
I know in the past I've said that we should arm the women to rebel against the men. I still think this should happen. Those chadors and burqas can hide a number of small arms.
Liz"
Dear Liz,
One percent of a billion people is a lot of folks. That's still a million people wanting to put on explosive underwear. Or is that ten million? It's a bunch. When it's your family being blown up on the subway, one is too many.
I'll grant you the statistics you cite for "good" Muslims. They aren't going to have a beer with you, that's against The Faith, and they may eschew adult movie fare and not let their children play with certain kinds of toys. Hell, people in California don't let their kids play with "war toys", and veteran movie fanatic that I am, I still say "Ewww!" at certain R-rated wastes of celluloid. Different people take offense at different things. It's called "live and let live." "Life" is the key word in today's context.
The point is, a "good" Muslim condemns the actions of those who defame their faith. Islam is basically a subculture of the American Christian faith. So is Judaism. So sorry to have to break it to you, but we have you outnumbered. This country was founded by people who emerged from the bloodbath of European Christian Reformation, and the sorry record of persecution that went with it. Get used to it; things have changed for the better. Blood has been shed by Christians for over 200 years to uphold the rights of Jews and Muslims to believe what they believe. We've all fought side-by-side when things were grim. I won't give you an argument here about righteousness, and I won't go against Ward Churchill in trying to justify what we did to the Native Americans we stole this land from; what I'm trying to say is that those who feel their faith is being usurped by the tyrannical pretenders should speak up.
Please don't tell me that "Islam is a religion of peace" and then dance in the streets when 3000+ innocent people are slaughtered for the crime of going to their jobs. Before a bomb goes off, tell me where the bomber is. Where, specifically, were we invading on 11 September 2001? What devious plot did America have going in the food-for-oil travesty? We'd let people skate up until that time. They threw bombs, and we treated them like they'd tossed toilet paper in someone's front yard. We offend the rest of the world because we exist, and we stand for something. Our crime isn't greedy corporate aggression; it's the sin of existing as human beings who believe in something different from the tyrant who rules Islam. If it is otherwise, say so. Help us as people, and don't hide those cynics who'll kill you as quickly as us infidels.
The borders are wide open, I just saw new footage of a tunnel from Canada into Washington that you can pass an ADM through. I am not a mind-numbed robot following my president into Hell; note to Mr. Bush: You'd better do something about those borders, and better now than later. I hear that little cartoon voice crying "You'll be sooooryyyyy..."
To all true Muslims: If you truly believe the tenets of your religion, and you truly condemn the actions of those you claim to share it with, in peace, then you may have to drop a dime. Freedom of worship guarantees you insularity in your community, but if you want to have that community accepted by the rest of the world, you might want to think about cooperation in exposing those who betray Islam by murder and tyranny.
The other side of the coin, as my pal suggests, is that you will be totally isolated from the mainstream of the society that you seek to destroy. They will come after you first. I address this last to the destroyers. If you cannot be found as individuals, you will be persecuted as a culture. Look at our ignoble record with the Japanese-Americans after Pearl Harbor. I'll make no excuses for "white" people; at the risk of sounding like someone worthy of condemnation, I'll remind you of the facts that liberals like to remind us of:
We exterminated the "Indians", the Native Americans who were here before us. We stole this land fair and square, as someone once said.
We locked anyone with "slanty-eyes" up after Nippon attacked Pearl Harbor. White folks have a bad track record of exterminating cultures that disagree with them. We're trying to be the good guys these days, but when murder is the response to our acceptance of "cultural diversity", you're awakening the primeval beast. Do you want to be the next to cease to exist, or would you rather live in harmony with others? Our peculiar Christian faith taught us to turn the 0ther cheek, and accept others for what they are, and what they believe. Does Allah teach you that, or the tyranny of the sword?
Liz, women in Islam will have to be taught to read, and drive automobiles, before they can master the intricacies of an AK-47. The current state of Islam forbids this. In America, we lock tax resisters up for 20-30 years. In Islam, they kill you for defying them to learn how to read. The lesson's pretty explicit in either case.
Israel? Like they say in New York, "fuggeaboutdit!" Like your Obstructionists, who howl for George Bush's demise via impeachment or a kamaikaze jetliner into 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, the hostility against Israel is a blood feud that won't be quieted by any appeasement. Jews are an offense to Allah, and only heathen Americans who look beyond this can dictate peace. The word "dictate" makes me shudder, but there it is.
This is going to get ugly, and ruthless. Like we tell the kids: "Don't make me have to come up there!" Unfortunately, wherever "up there" is, we're going to hike the stairs. If true Islamic believers don't realize this, and come down on the side of those who truly seek peace and not serfdom, then they will find themselves on the losing side of a culture war that hasn't been pursued to these extremes seen since Medieval days. "Isolation" doesn't mean what it used to. You, the murderers, will lose, and in the process, you'll drag down the innocents you claim to represent. Not that this has mattered to you so far.
I never mock you, Liz. You know that, after all these years. Please, though...think a little deeper.
Best regards,
"Possum"
There are about 1 billion Muslims in the world. I have a hard time grasping that ALL of them want to destroy Israel and the West and live life according to the Wahabbi tradition. Most of them, at least in the better economies, may want to have a cold beer now and then, wear Tshirts and shorts, watch R-rated movies at the theater with their spouses...or at least be okay with their neighbors doing those things. The problem is, 1% of the Muslim world is very much NOT OKAY with that. They will kill any woman who dares show her chin. They burn down record stores that sell music. S**t, some of them don't even let kids play with toys. I guess what we need to do is isolate that 1% from the other 99%, or give the 99% the confidence to overthrow the 1% in charge.
I know in the past I've said that we should arm the women to rebel against the men. I still think this should happen. Those chadors and burqas can hide a number of small arms.
Liz"
Dear Liz,
One percent of a billion people is a lot of folks. That's still a million people wanting to put on explosive underwear. Or is that ten million? It's a bunch. When it's your family being blown up on the subway, one is too many.
I'll grant you the statistics you cite for "good" Muslims. They aren't going to have a beer with you, that's against The Faith, and they may eschew adult movie fare and not let their children play with certain kinds of toys. Hell, people in California don't let their kids play with "war toys", and veteran movie fanatic that I am, I still say "Ewww!" at certain R-rated wastes of celluloid. Different people take offense at different things. It's called "live and let live." "Life" is the key word in today's context.
The point is, a "good" Muslim condemns the actions of those who defame their faith. Islam is basically a subculture of the American Christian faith. So is Judaism. So sorry to have to break it to you, but we have you outnumbered. This country was founded by people who emerged from the bloodbath of European Christian Reformation, and the sorry record of persecution that went with it. Get used to it; things have changed for the better. Blood has been shed by Christians for over 200 years to uphold the rights of Jews and Muslims to believe what they believe. We've all fought side-by-side when things were grim. I won't give you an argument here about righteousness, and I won't go against Ward Churchill in trying to justify what we did to the Native Americans we stole this land from; what I'm trying to say is that those who feel their faith is being usurped by the tyrannical pretenders should speak up.
Please don't tell me that "Islam is a religion of peace" and then dance in the streets when 3000+ innocent people are slaughtered for the crime of going to their jobs. Before a bomb goes off, tell me where the bomber is. Where, specifically, were we invading on 11 September 2001? What devious plot did America have going in the food-for-oil travesty? We'd let people skate up until that time. They threw bombs, and we treated them like they'd tossed toilet paper in someone's front yard. We offend the rest of the world because we exist, and we stand for something. Our crime isn't greedy corporate aggression; it's the sin of existing as human beings who believe in something different from the tyrant who rules Islam. If it is otherwise, say so. Help us as people, and don't hide those cynics who'll kill you as quickly as us infidels.
The borders are wide open, I just saw new footage of a tunnel from Canada into Washington that you can pass an ADM through. I am not a mind-numbed robot following my president into Hell; note to Mr. Bush: You'd better do something about those borders, and better now than later. I hear that little cartoon voice crying "You'll be sooooryyyyy..."
To all true Muslims: If you truly believe the tenets of your religion, and you truly condemn the actions of those you claim to share it with, in peace, then you may have to drop a dime. Freedom of worship guarantees you insularity in your community, but if you want to have that community accepted by the rest of the world, you might want to think about cooperation in exposing those who betray Islam by murder and tyranny.
The other side of the coin, as my pal suggests, is that you will be totally isolated from the mainstream of the society that you seek to destroy. They will come after you first. I address this last to the destroyers. If you cannot be found as individuals, you will be persecuted as a culture. Look at our ignoble record with the Japanese-Americans after Pearl Harbor. I'll make no excuses for "white" people; at the risk of sounding like someone worthy of condemnation, I'll remind you of the facts that liberals like to remind us of:
We exterminated the "Indians", the Native Americans who were here before us. We stole this land fair and square, as someone once said.
We locked anyone with "slanty-eyes" up after Nippon attacked Pearl Harbor. White folks have a bad track record of exterminating cultures that disagree with them. We're trying to be the good guys these days, but when murder is the response to our acceptance of "cultural diversity", you're awakening the primeval beast. Do you want to be the next to cease to exist, or would you rather live in harmony with others? Our peculiar Christian faith taught us to turn the 0ther cheek, and accept others for what they are, and what they believe. Does Allah teach you that, or the tyranny of the sword?
Liz, women in Islam will have to be taught to read, and drive automobiles, before they can master the intricacies of an AK-47. The current state of Islam forbids this. In America, we lock tax resisters up for 20-30 years. In Islam, they kill you for defying them to learn how to read. The lesson's pretty explicit in either case.
Israel? Like they say in New York, "fuggeaboutdit!" Like your Obstructionists, who howl for George Bush's demise via impeachment or a kamaikaze jetliner into 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, the hostility against Israel is a blood feud that won't be quieted by any appeasement. Jews are an offense to Allah, and only heathen Americans who look beyond this can dictate peace. The word "dictate" makes me shudder, but there it is.
This is going to get ugly, and ruthless. Like we tell the kids: "Don't make me have to come up there!" Unfortunately, wherever "up there" is, we're going to hike the stairs. If true Islamic believers don't realize this, and come down on the side of those who truly seek peace and not serfdom, then they will find themselves on the losing side of a culture war that hasn't been pursued to these extremes seen since Medieval days. "Isolation" doesn't mean what it used to. You, the murderers, will lose, and in the process, you'll drag down the innocents you claim to represent. Not that this has mattered to you so far.
I never mock you, Liz. You know that, after all these years. Please, though...think a little deeper.
Best regards,
"Possum"
posted by Robert at 1:25 AM
15 Comments:
Back when I was a novice poster at Scrappleface, I opined that there were probably already plenty of Muslim terrorist cells in the US, just waiting for a signal to create (or add to) mayhem in our urban areas. Perhaps the first trigger would be some well-placed bombs. Perhaps the terror would be simultaneous. Our hospital and emergency-response facilities are documented as being spied on.
I had only mentioned the first part of this frightful scene, but I received an email from an unknown recipient in Michigan whose only response to my point was "You're right." I still get the willies over that email... and still have the address.
onlineanalyst:
Hmmm...perhaps you should forward that information to the authorities?
It might not be actionable, but then again, it just might...
Oh great. Now all your Scrapple buddies think I'm an idiot as well as a flaming liberal nincompoop.
Not true, Liz. I don't think you're an idiot at all.
It is the conundrum that keeps me awake at night.
Why- given the fact that the terrorists in Iraq are indiscriminately killing civilian muslims, muslim children and bombing mosques- do these people continue to harbor or shield these terrorists from the authorities?
Answer: I don't know. But I have to think that they will come to realize that there will be no relief from the actions of these terrorists until they rat them out. Hope it happens soon...
Liz:
Wouldn't being an idiot and a nincompoop be redundant? Anyway, what Beerme said...
Beerme:
Yo, boy-ee! (That's how we talk in Philly) When are you going to post something new on your blog? You've got things to say; say 'em!!!
I am going to say something that may get me jumped on, (so what else is new!), had FDR NOT interned the Japanese during WWII, how do we know some of them wouldn't have killed Americans?
I am not saying it was right, only that now, (today), liberals and America haters can point to this incident to say that we must atone for this and not "intern" ANYONE, including those we KNOW to be a threat.
Your points merely amplify what I was driving at, SGT. I always liked the sarcasm inherent in that expression "We stole it, fair and square."
My ancestors didn't own slaves, yet being from Dixie burdens me constantly with some perceived [by others] guilt that the plight of Africans being brought involuntarily to America has somehow devolved onto me. Now, as son of the South, I'm expected to make reparations as well as assume the burden of cleaning up after the lack of personal responsibility exhibited by some of these descendants of slaves.
Nope, sorry, I don't buy into that. I feel a pang that the Cherokees were relocated out of north Georgia so we could mine for gold on their land, but that, too, was not my fault. I was pointing out the historical fact that America has a history of eradicating problems through violent means. I'm not going to judge the righteousness of what we, as a people, did in the past. I'm warning the people of Islam that it can happen again.
You're right, the more civilized society always wins. In the terror war, the 21st century will trump the 14th, in both ideology and technology.
RAM makes a good point, too. Some of the people already held at Gitmo were released, and turned up later fighting our troops in Iraq.
Ted "the swimmer" Kennedy sobered up today long enough to yammer yet again about closing Gitmo. Does he have a suggestion for what we should do with these people?
We made reparations to the Japanese-Americans interned after Pearl Harbor. Perhaps we can make it up to the Gitmo detainees by offering them flying lessons at government expense.
I think I need a new nickname here...Thanks for being so nice to me. For what it's worth, I think an advanced lifestyle is BETTER than a primitive one. Electricity and antibiotics beat fire and hearbal medicines any day.
I am a feminist as well as a liberal, so the more advanced a society becomes, the better it usually becomes for women. And when women's lives improve, men's lives improve too.
That's the main problem I have with Islam. Considered progressive towards women when it started, it has stagnated into the most misogynistic faith on Earth. Sure, Christianity has its moments, as does my own faith (Judaism), but they are diverse enough to have many opinions and flavors. I don't think there's such a thing as a Reform Muslim. Or if there is, they're real quiet because they're scared poopless.
Oh, and don't ask me about Israel. At this point, I say we give Jerusalem to the Dalai Lama for 5 years until both sides can play nice. [said in exasperated jest]
Camojack,
I know, I know! I have been very busy lately and have neglected the blog. I promise to get something posted real soon. Probably Monday, though, as the weekend, like most summer weekends, is filled.
I will be sampling many (my wife says most) of the 180 myriad beers provided by the thirty-plus microbreweries in Michigan, at the Michigan Summer Beer Festival in Ypsilanti, Michigan tomorrow. Don't worry I have a designated driver (I'm taking a bus. Beer is provided.).
I'll have one for all y'all (You, too, Liz!).
Camojack,
I noticed you posted at the Museum. Some real lunatic lefties have infested that place, lately.
Hey Possum,
Great article. It's kinda scary though that you said about 6 of the same things I put into an E-mail yesterday, almost word-for-word. Either we're just on the same wavelength, or you're reading my E-mail! I think you might have some friends in the Bureau, so one can never be sure, eh?
Liz,
One can never criticize an intellectually honest liberal. It's the whining, ranting, truth-bending, non-stop mudslingers that bug me.
Red Liz:
Checked out neo-neocon yet?
(You could ^click above^)
Beerme:
I'll be looking forward to what you post. In the interim, enjoy the Beer Fest.
Once in a great while, I post comments at the "Museum"...just not as often as you seem to.
(Not that there's anything wrong with that...)
SGT., Thanks for that brain dose of Listerine! Just watched the last installment of "Into The West" on TNT with my boy last night. It was so very, very, very, PC. (IMO) The poor Indians were never portrayed as anything but misunderstood, put upon, victims of the bloodthirsty, land hungry, inconsiderate white man/soldier. Except for the Wheeler family (who the story follows through many generations, and are the epitome of goodness and charity, every other white was a bad guy. Ugh.
Time for some individual fill in the gaps history lessons from mom to boy. :o)
Review mode/off
"Custer claimed to have found gold (none was subsequently found) in the Black Hills for the sole purpose of enticing white men into the area, who then demanded protection from the Indians."
Posted by Kajun on July 23, 2005 at 10:55 AM
OK...so where does the famed "Black Hills Gold" come from then?
(Asked the ¼ Native American)
"By 1875 Col. Richard I. Dodge estimated 800 white men were mining or residing in the Hills. Mining camps were established near Custer, Hill City and Deadwood. As old claims played out, new ones were found and towns died or were born almost overnight. By 1876, approximately 10,000 people populated the Hills.
In the spring of 1875 the federal government attempted to solve the problem of ownership of the Hills by inviting American Indian leaders to Washington D.C.. The American Indians refused all offers and would not relinquish ownership of the land. Some of the Indian wars that followed were a result of these problems.
The ownership of the Black Hills is still in question. The Supreme Court decision that attempted to settle the issue by paying the Lakota tribes for the land was not accepted by all of the tribes. Many of the Lakota are still trying to gain ownership of a land sacred to them."
Sgt usmc 1ea, I'm mostly a laissez-faire feminist. Give women and men the same choices and freedoms, and the same responcibilities, then shut up and leave everyone alone. I'm with you on more women's bathroom stalls in public places too.
What's wrong with having hairy legs?
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